Charr Spam Healer
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Posts: 19
IGN #1: Charr Spam Healer
IGN #2: Frenzy Spammer
Guild: I Spam Orison
Time Zone: I Yell At Charr
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Post by Charr Spam Healer on Mar 30, 2021 7:14:17 GMT -8
What did y’all do to our economy!? lol
Alright, so what’s the deal? BD has skyrocketed to 16-20k, and everything else has plummeted to being worthless. Charr Kits are at 5k which is weird, as there doesn’t seem to be too many actual farmers left. Bags are worthless, that’s fine. Fire and Vigor still worth a bit. Uncommon and higher end purps are almost double or have doubled in value since I quit in 2012 when BD was around 9k. Not a Nick farmer, but looks like that stuff is still about the same price as when I left.
So what gives? Why has almost everything crashed when it seems like it should have gone up given fewer people farming in Northlands?
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Post by medouzer on Apr 1, 2021 7:55:35 GMT -8
You've been away for over 8 years and you ask why the economy has changed in Pre-searing? There isn't that much activity in pre-searing anymore ( for those who claim there still is , I'm comparing this to 2012 when he quit ). This means that those who are still active are mainly those who have been in pre for ages and have most things they desire , they don't need another charr bag or kit. Black dyes are a known currency and used in bigger trades for rare items , less people farming those and the price goes up. Extremely rare purples can be priced at almost any price , as long as u can find the right person/collector. This also applies to the real world , if an item is very exclusive and you want it .. you'll probably end up paying a lot So everything is completely normal Enjoy your return and happy hunting!
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Charr Spam Healer
PSC Member.
Posts: 19
IGN #1: Charr Spam Healer
IGN #2: Frenzy Spammer
Guild: I Spam Orison
Time Zone: I Yell At Charr
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Post by Charr Spam Healer on Apr 2, 2021 2:33:30 GMT -8
Yes, Pre's not at active as it was when I left. I know. But there's still enough activity going on at peak times here in the states that there's plenty of demand to go around for things like Kits and Bags. Hell, anecdotally I've gone on about 8 runs with different low-level players wanting to get to 10 so they can start working on LDoA since I got off work. They largely had no idea what to do either, outside of TAB 12345678. The idea that there's largely nothing but old Pre players' alts here is ridiculous. Moreover, since I started leveling again I've sold 3 Kits within minutes at a lousy 5k. People who have Kits up for sale don't have them up for long either, I've noticed. Unless again, we're at like 3 AM or something.
As for the rest of your patronizing reply, it's basically a non-answer. It can be summed up as basic economics of Pre that he likely knows but I feel the need to reply and sound like an asshat and, lol everyone in Pre has been there forever. Duh!
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Post by medouzer on Apr 2, 2021 10:35:27 GMT -8
What part is patronizing , you should take the first sentence with a pinch of sarcasm.
The game is old , there are no future updates and you are practically free to do whatever you want. There are plenty of farming bots around , you can sell/buy in-game currency with 0.00001% chance of getting banned , glitched items are being thrown at your head as well. How can you not expect an economy to crash/change?
LDOA used to be a title that made people want to stick around in pre more than today. LDOA isn't really an achievement anymore , 99% will sear and move on to post.
It's just what it is , don't fight it.. just go with it and try to enjoy the time u have left on the game.
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Post by ladyariadna on Apr 4, 2021 15:00:28 GMT -8
I found that between the pros and the newbies, the pros already usually have what they want and only participate in the gigantic trades like perf fire wands etc.
As for newbies I see a good bit of them, every day there's people looking for charr runs or powerleveling, but from doing a lot of the runs with them they usually either don't have much of a buying power (duh) or they simply don't even know that stuff like insignias or runes exist.
I consider myself a "middle of the road" player for the example here, I already have my runes and insignias and bags and whatnot but for me the problem is buying sweets and party points for titles, there isn't enough supply for this part of the economy to go smoothly and it's very hard to find sellers.
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Charr Spam Healer
PSC Member.
Posts: 19
IGN #1: Charr Spam Healer
IGN #2: Frenzy Spammer
Guild: I Spam Orison
Time Zone: I Yell At Charr
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Post by Charr Spam Healer on Apr 5, 2021 2:28:52 GMT -8
I found that between the pros and the newbies, the pros already usually have what they want and only participate in the gigantic trades like perf fire wands etc. As for newbies I see a good bit of them, every day there's people looking for charr runs or powerleveling, but from doing a lot of the runs with them they usually either don't have much of a buying power (duh) or they simply don't even know that stuff like insignias or runes exist. I consider myself a "middle of the road" player for the example here, I already have my runes and insignias and bags and whatnot but for me the problem is buying sweets and party points for titles, there isn't enough supply for this part of the economy to go smoothly and it's very hard to find sellers. I agree. I'm constantly amazed at all the newbies here in Pre. Again yesterday, I probably took 4-5 with me to get them to lvl. 10 so they can start doing VG quests with many more throughout the day asking in chat for some runs. There's definitely a population here with at least a basic understanding of what they need to do in order to get LDoA. But they're going to have to eventually start looking at runes, insigs, kits, flowers, wep/offhands etc. And yeah like you said, once they have these things and decide to stick around they should expand to other Titles. It's always been like that. To me, I think the problem is as you put it, in the "middle of the road". There doesn't seem to be one to begin with as far as the economy goes. It's either trash or lottery ticket winnings. No one's buying in the middle. If you look at the PC boards here you'll see that perfectly reflected. I've seen quite a number of items that I'm like "Hey, that's not that bad! It's not perfect but someone might not be wanting to spend 40000 BD for a perfect version of that! Why is it merch?" I don't see people buying or even selling Nick items, instead everyone just wants to buy GoTH's ( haven't seen anyone selling them ). I haven't seen anyone selling Title points either, as you said too. I really think this is one of the things hurting Pre the most. This idea of it's merch or unattainable.
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Post by mrkvagusara on Apr 7, 2021 1:51:23 GMT -8
The big problem is the inventory space. If you need to hang on for like 3 or 4 weeks to sell an item that s not gonna peak the interest of someone who s willing AND capable of spending at least 3-5 bd, then you better just trash it. More space for new drops. If you kept every mesmer staff 8-12 dmg hct dom 16 % you find, you d be sitting on a huge pile of staves that most people don t want. And those who want them pay you like 500g- 2k or want it for free. And the time you spend for finding that guy probably would have been better spent farming.
Besides that, if you just go for ldoa, you probably can do that very fast and easy without even buying any gear at all. Caster dmg comes from skills, having hct fire or dom isn t going to have that much of an effect on you reaching ldoa, those items are something for people who want to stay in pre and have money to spend. Rangers and warriors have the bonus weapons (hammer and bow), which kind of negate the real need to buy anything. You get a free Charr shield as a quest reward, so if you want a better one, the price is going to reflect that.
All of that put together means that the market is very small and there is still an unproportionate amount of items being farmed. I myself sell of a huge chunk of my purples unided, because that is in the end still worth more money than iding them and then having to trash them because the stats are to low.
As for kits, runes etc. Before the "surge" of the new players came in, people kept on farming and kits still dropped. I myself have been at around a full inventory of charr kits for a while and they keep dropping. I assume i m not the only one with that issue. Selling them at 5k each is quite reasonable. Also, if my potential buyers all are struggling to make money, it only makes sense to make decrease the price. The occasional, more seasoned player typing "WTB 2 Kits ,vigor, fire, estorage for 2 bd" still is a thing, but, very rarely shows up, since, you know, they have at least 2 or 3 accounts in pre.
And yes, you are right, that mentality of merch it or "it s unattainable", as you see it, is obviously bad for newer/returning players. But i doubt that this is gonna change, as it is -time wise- just not worth selling any of that mid-tear-stuff. You just end up shouting into the void. Sadly that is what happens as the player base decreases and the wealth is distributed unequaly.
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Post by Mic on Apr 7, 2021 3:15:59 GMT -8
The economy is kind of dead unfortunately due to incredibly small player base.
I wonder how many of the newbies by mistake download and play gw1 while someone recommended them to play gw2 ha.
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